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Ben Seewald has been expressing his views on race relations online.

Insiders say his in-laws are less than thrilled about his (slightly) left-leaning beliefs.

Here, Ben can be seen interviewing Christian rapper Flame.

Flame would later become famous thanks to a high-profile lawsuit against Katy Perry.

But in those days, he was just a friend of the Seewalds.

And it seems he had a particularly close bond with Ben.

Ben might not be the greatest interviewer.

But it’s a mildly interesting conversation.

Check it out: