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December 30th, 2007 12:22 AM
duh, I was expect BDSM and what I get is a couple of artsy posses...oh please...lose a title for this? What we're in the middle ages or something?
December 30th, 2007 6:31 AM
Since the picture is photoshopped you can't really judge her can you? how do we know she agreed on the cross at all?
Honestly why can't ppl just leave what happened in the past behind?
December 30th, 2007 7:29 AM
Genevieve de Fontenay must where in climateriet or something, she also very jelluis aginst younger beutiful girls. She must feel that she going to be old and scrubble.
Valerie Begue, take it not so hard, she is gone very sone, so you can take your revage than
Happy new year
December 30th, 2007 12:08 PM
I say lighten up, take the photo for what it is, an art form. I would say that if you got upset at this photo, then use that energy towards something you can control, like holding your church and your clergy responsible for their sexual misconduct of thousands of children around the world. Make that right before you delve into the photo arena. Peace
December 30th, 2007 2:15 PM
Rationalizing this as art and holding it up against the atrocities of parishioners is the secular version of feed the Christians to the lions, because the blame simply never finds an end. This is about as much art as rap belongs in the music category, or drug dealers belong in the pharmacist heading of the yellow pages. Submitted at the time Christians traditionally celebrate the birth of the living Christ, I'm not upset, I fail to subscribe to secular beliefs that this is a meaningless gesture, and find the rationale wanting desperately to demean and discredit Christianity rather unenlightened and humorous.
December 30th, 2007 10:29 PM
To Madslw,
Before you try to tell Christians how to clean up the church, why don't you clean up the godless secular society which commits rape, drug use, burglary, murder, and other atrocities?
Since you have your "house" squeaky clean I'm sure you can give us advice on how to control people's actions.
At least we can say that the Bible speaks against such things and we teach it. And those that offend the teachings of Christ are not following what the church teaches.
What rule book does an athiestic society have beyond an individual's own moral standards? The law? Well, the law in Germany used to allow the torture and murder of Jews. So I guess as long as the law says it's OK, then it's moral.
I really am sick of people like you trying to blame the entire church for the actions of a few. Let's say that you're caucasian. It is the same thing if you are blamed by those who say you're responsible for the slave traders who abused black people.
Not fair is it?
Before you put your thoughts out for everyone to see, you should try to think first.
December 31st, 2007 9:26 AM
Madslw -
You must be assuming a couple of things with your post..
1 - that ALL Christians are Catholic.
2 - that EVERY Catholic priest is a child abuser.
I may not be the "best" Christian, but I was raised Catholic and I have known and continue to know many wonderful priests. You want to blame the actions of some on the entire church...I agree with Sal - that's sort of asinine don't cha think?? Obviously the majority of people were outraged when all the "dirty laundry" (for lack of a better term) was aired about the Catholic church, but I fail to understand the logic of saying that as Catholics people shouldn't be offended by this picture because of what some priests did....it makes NO SENSE. Just because I'm not offended by it doesn't mean that the picture isn't offensive to other people, and when someone has to resort to childish banter (well the priests did this so you can't do that) their arguement becomes pathetic.
Sal - I truly hope you make it home safely and are able to spend some time with your family - I wish I had the strength that you and all your fellow service men and women have.
December 31st, 2007 10:10 AM
It is funny how the world is getting so relax, not caring for your neighbor. But when Christ comes back soon, how will they be then? Tia's comment on Dec. 22nd touches my heart more than this article on Valerie Begue but my prayers go out for her.
January 1st, 2008 4:15 PM
Hi Leah,
Good post. I think these days, people only repeat what they hear and don't think for themselves most of the time.
Like you said, the points made no sense. But, somehow, people rationalize that in their mind because of bitterness and hatred.
I hope you had a happy new year. I have 2 weeks left in Iraq and will finally be able to see my daughter again.
Thank you for your support. It means alot to us.
You probably have the strength, to do what we do...it is in all of us. We just need the right situations to cultivate it.
On a side note, you talk about being raised Catholic and not being the best Christian. Your heart is in the right place and you just need a point in the right direction to make a better decision on your faith.
I used to be Catholic, but I converted to Christianity because of all the contradictions the Catholic church practices against what the bible teaches.
If you go to my website www.cryingwisdom.com, click on the "understandings" link. You will find some interesting comments I wrote down about some basic questions people usually have about certain topics.
There is also a way to contact me through that website if you'd like. I'd give you my email, but I don't want every nut on here harassing me.
Take care and God bless!
January 2nd, 2008 4:51 AM
um, i found this page by accident after googling crucifixion photos. it is mind boggling seeing how many of you wasted time in your lives arguing over such a lame topic. do you have lives? my only motivation to comment is to mock all of you who are passionately debating something so trivial. seriously, grow up and get a job or something. and dont bother mocking me, i have a life and i wont be back on this page to see your comments.
January 3rd, 2008 7:35 AM
Lord Jesus said: "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her."
I pray our Lord Jesus to forgive here, and forgive us all.
January 5th, 2008 10:44 AM
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January 5th, 2008 12:47 PM
Imagine if she was to be nailed on a cross....would she be smiling as she is doing in the water pretending to be nailed on the cross? ...hell no... she'd be praying for death instead.
Anyway it doesn't cost a thing to be an idiot
January 15th, 2008 5:40 PM
Although this is in poor taste and may be offensive to a "particular" religion (ie. Christian), she is not naked or revealing anything. I guess she felt like she had to "prove something" and now she is being "persecuted" by the media...hey, the picture fits the "crime". Oh, please people, get a life.
March 15th, 2008 1:08 PM
What the fuck is talking this journalist/webmaster !?
She could lose her title not because of this kind of pics but because of hot pics, nothing about religion..
You don't know know what you talkin about..
Support Valerie, Our Miss 2008...
June 2nd, 2008 4:19 PM
honestly, writing the truth here will not set you free, but bring up debate.
if she doesn't want to respect the symbol of the cross, let her. it's her decision and her free will.
if you believe in God, you believe that he still loves her and God created her free will. so just respect it. you don't have to agree with it, nor control everyone into believing the way you do.
because that is wrong and that completely contradicts what is written of Christ, as well as his teachings.
Christ spoke about love and honor and respect, this includes honor and respect to other's free wills and decisions.