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February 21st, 2008 12:16 AM
Oh, and by the way Victoria, if you will scroll up and read your comments, I believe that you will find that you stated that you are a size 2 (hand on the bible) so that just goes to show that you are so full of crap that you can't even keep your story straight. You are just a very unhappy person in life and feels that they need to sit back and run people down. I think it is time for you to grown up and act 42 instead of 12.
February 21st, 2008 10:49 AM
Liz/Sandra/Mike (likely the same person which is appropriate since you're probably three time the average weight)
Come now. Is that swipe at size the best you can do? Even if you were truly a size 10, it seems a bit silly to criticize someone who admits she wears a four in some things.
But to humor you, and because you seem woefully ignorant of shopping for clothes outsize the Plus Size section, let me explain the Travails of Shopping For a Sleeker Frame.
Since you've probably never bought your clothes *outside* in the Big Girl's section you're probably unaware that clothes catering towards normal or thin people run a size bigger or smaller depending on brand. Alas, most of what I wear is a 2. But in American Eagle jeans I wear a 4. But I don't stress about it. If I like the way the jeans fit, I wear them. Were I to slide into my 4's and find them snug I would do what you cannot - modify my intake of food, increase my exercise and continue said regimen until I was back at my target weight.
It's called self-discipline, my dear, and it does a body good. ;-)
Of course, in your defense, being fat probably does make shopping easier. Once you get to the 1X and 2X section does it really matter what the tag says? Fat people aren't about finding things that fit their bodies, but finding ways to cover them up.
Now stop getting so wound up. All the arguing in the world isn't going to change the reality of what you see in the mirror, and it's that image - not little ol' me - that's *really* making you so angry.
Rather than lashing out at someone who is engaging you in debate, just lose the weight already! You know it makes you feel bad, you know there's a difference - and a happy medium - between being a stick and being a Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man. You know you aren't happy like this.
It's a new year. You can do it. You can lose the weight. Just go for it! If you do a year from now you'll thank me for pissing you off enough to make you take action.
And quite graciously, I'll say, "Don't mention it."
;-)
February 21st, 2008 12:57 PM
Sandra & Liz,
Don't waste your time on this lowlife. I hope she has no kids. I have seen what happens when a parent talks to children this way. It is the cause of eating disorders and emotional disorders.
Her 2/4 size is really size 24, I'm sure. And what is her fetish about twinkes and marshmellows?
Keely looks like a beautiful, happy and confident women. Some people can't deal with that, because it goes aginst their twisted upbringing.
February 21st, 2008 7:54 PM
I remember when Keely Shaye Smith was doing morning television. She was so beautiful then. I can't believe she's let herself go to this extent. What a shame. I barely recognized her when I saw this picture. I feel sorry for her poor husband.
February 21st, 2008 11:46 PM
First of all, I agree with you 100% Mike. Victoria clearly doesn't know what she is talking about. If she did, she would relize that a size 10 isn't in the big girls section and that a med. top isn't either so she clearly doesn't know about shopping in the reg. size clothing or else she would have already know that. So yes Mike, I agree, I am sure that she wears a size 24 and that is the reason why she is so confused about clothing sizes and has a fetish for twinkes (she does talk about them alot) and marshmellows!
February 22nd, 2008 9:58 PM
Just thinking....
I always find that American Eagles clothes run larger.... I wear a 14 in most brands but in American Eagle I can buy a 12 pant...
A 14 is on the cusp of straight size and plus size clothes. I can shop and boths stores and I do find the straight size stores have better selections I think its a shame though even if someone is fatter/let themselves go/ whatever we are calling it these days that they cannot find the same types of clothing at the plus size shops.
Just because someone is larger does not mean they want to wear floral print silk tops and stretch pants...
I swear one of these days I am going to start a clothing line with nicely cut plus size apparel. I would make a fortune since no one has cornered the market as far as I have seen.
February 23rd, 2008 11:38 AM
It might be due to the cut, Michelle. The problem I have as a smaller person is that some of the clothes in my size are too "straight." I find that to be the case with the American Eagle jeans. My particular problem is that while I'm small, I have an hourglass figure. GAP Jeans and Old Navy jeans fit my size and shape, as do NY and Co.
Per the Plus Size clothing dilemma, one of the assistant editors at the paper where I used to work was very large but always dressed impeccably. Believe it or not, she got her clothes at Target and wore a lot of cute things, and carried some really cute handbags, too.
I don't think the problem with women's clothing - regardless of size - is so much what size tehy are, but how they are cut. We are all different shapes. My best friend carries all her weight out front and has no butt to speak of. With skinny legs and a wide middle it's really hard for her to find pants that fit.
If I ever started a clothing line, I think I'd like to cater to a range of body types across all sizes. If someone could do that, they could make a fortune. But alas, clothing design is far from my forte so I hope someone out there will do it.
February 23rd, 2008 11:53 AM
How this became a personal mud slinging thing is beyond me. It seems that when an opinion is disagreed with the name calling begins, there are assumptions made about people and people get offended. Lets face it no one is perfect! There are simply gorgeous woman that are not a single digit size and there are gross people that are single digit sizes. Example Queen Latifah is a beautiful woman then you have Nicole Richie who was so thin it was sickly. There are many ends of the spectrum not just fat and thin. A lot of people want to change their lifestyle and dont know how so they give up because all you see are these lose weight quick scams that prey on people; then they end up worse off then they were. Everyone is beautiful in some way or another if not in body then in mind and soul. Lets not bash each other. If someone has advice for someone struggling great but is name calling really necessary?
February 24th, 2008 11:54 AM
Lyssa, here's what I don't get. No fit, thin person looks to Nicole Richie as a role model, or holds her up as an example of beauty. But heavy people frequently hold fat stars up as examples of "beauty."
Makeup can do a lot, and Queen Latifah does have a pretty face. But make no mistake about it...just as Nicole Richie's aneorexia was unhealthy so is Queen Latifah's extra weight. Heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, cancer...fat increases the risk of all these things.
I agree that there's something beautiful in all of us. But isn't that why we should honor our individual selves and be the best we can be? Shouldn't we take care of our bodies, which means not becoming aneorexic OR fat?
Some fat people like to defend being heavy as some sort of empowering, lifestyle choice until you ask them to name one good thing about being fat. They really can't because deep down they know it's not healthy. And the older one gets the more problems that weight will cause.
Under all the invective is one simple question: What is better? An active, fit body or a sedentary, heavy one? Which would you rather have? If you are fat, why are you fat? What does food represent to you? Is it comfort, a reward, a friend? Or is it fuel, which is all it is supposed to be? What will it take for you to make the change to become healthy? How long will you continue to stuff the void in your soul with calories?
I get the feeling that these are the very questions the woman posting as Mike/Liz/Sandra - and thousands of others like her - are asking. The question is, will they find the answers in time to save their lives? I hope so.
February 24th, 2008 1:52 PM
That is actually the nicest thing that you have said on here and it still got the being healthy point across. The problem with obesity doesnt go away by name calling and telling people that they are wiping crumbs off the keyboard and stuffing their mouths with Twinkies and whatever. The fact is we don't know about any person that is posting on here we don't have pictures. We don't know who is a 40 yr old a 30 year old or possibly an impressionable teenager. Do I agree the nation needs to be more health conscience and look into the obesity problem? Yes. I applaud shows like the Biggest Loser who are inspirational to people that struggle with weight and people that were on the verge of laying down and waiting to die. That is the type of positive reinforcement that young people can look at and think if they can lose this weight and be healthy so can I. But when I see postings of calling people "fatties" that is the type of talk that leads young people to the unhealthy eating disorders because it is hurtful. I was heavy as a young girl and all it did was make me want to not eat at all. It took a trainer who said yes we have some work to do but together we can do it. Negative comments have negative effects. Positive reinforcement makes the impossible, possible! So lets have some positivity people!!!
February 25th, 2008 12:01 AM
im assuming Victoria is thin from what i've been reading, and apparently never been overweight,so in actuallity she has no right to put her opinion about "fatties" and obesity.And no i'm not a fattie im quite thin yet at one time i was a tad overweight so i've been on both ends.As long as someone is healthy who the hell cares if they are "fat"long ago before the demented thoughts of thin is in heavy was a sign that you were wealthy and thin were the sick and poor,before you judge put yourself in that persons place,Victoria one of these days you may have a "fattie"picture posted somewhere and we all will be here laughing at how fat your ass is.
February 25th, 2008 1:57 PM
TJ, I'm afraid that will never happen because I care too much about myself. I won't get fat for the same reason I won't take up smoking or crack. I prefer to be healthy and independent of obsessions like tobacco, drugs or food.
Yes, back in the day society may have considered fat healthy and a sign of status, but you forget that this was a time when they were bleeding people with leeches. The medical profession was in its infancy, and little was known about the link between obesity and illness. If someone is wistful for a return to such a mentality, it says a lot about the smallness of their mind and the width of their girth. Why on earth would anyone long for a return to such ignorance, or even use it as an example?
To Lyssa, my take on this whole debate is that there are heavy people who valiantly struggle with their weight and then there are fatties.
The former are honest with themselves and realize that the ugly, extra weight they carry is harmful. They struggle with it, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. But they aren't deluding themselves or anyone else by trumpeting their obesity as a positive lifestyle choice. They recognize that they have a problem. They are fat, but they aren't fatties.
The fatties are the ones bellowing the "fat pride" message into the bullhorn. They are people like the woman posing as Mike, who comes on here pretending to be a man and claiming that men prefer fat women, which we all know is not true. (Save for a few fetishists, both genders prefer partners who are healthy and fit).
Fatties are the ones who cast ugly glances and nasty comments at thin women. I've seen this time and time again - fat women saying, "I HATE her" whenever they see a woman who is in good shape. Fatties are the people who would have us believe that being anorexic and being slender are the same thing, as if there are no middle ground. They are the ones who claim well-made up but still-airbrushed overweight startlets like Queen Latifah are "beautiful" and "curvy" when in reality the ugly truth is that a heavy body is just plain unattractive. Look around you. Or look at yourself if the shoe fits. A overhanging belly, jiggly arms and thunder thighs are dreadful. When packed into spandex as a form of defiance it's just embarrassing. And yet fatties continue to eat as a way to comfort themselves even as they lash out at critics of their addiction. Because deep inside, despite their arguments fatties know it is not society that is the enemy, but their own lack of willpower. That's why they're so damn angry.
I admit it may be mean, depressing and even damaging to point these truths out to the overweight reader. But I contend that it is just as damaging to have some fat copy editor slap a caption on an obviously overweight star like Keeley applauding her for ballooning to an unhealthy and unattractive weight. The message that fat is something to be proud of, that we should redefine beauty as a size 18 is most unfortunate. It encourages adults to give up and binge while their kids do the same. It's already happening...our society is fatter and so are our kids.
This isn't just an issue of aesthetics, but of the overall health of our society. We should all be alarmed when Type 2 diabetes is showing up in overweight kids.
In a nutshell, TJ, that's why the hell I care.
February 26th, 2008 12:18 AM
I think Victor/Victoria is funny. And I think it's a guy. Well, or a very delusional old lady who thinks her body is still hot after having "five kids". We are not so foolish to think that after 5 kids (two in middle age didn't you say) you are without strech marks, cellulite or flappy skin. I think you doth protest too much and if you scream that everyone else is fat and stuffing their faces with twinkies then it will make you look skinny. Just because you claim to be a size 2/4 (which is just vanity sizing anyway) doesn't mean you look good. You can scream about how wrong I am but we know the truth in your above comments. You're ugly, inside and out1 :)
February 26th, 2008 12:21 AM
She's beautiful. All of you Thin skeletons are just mad because she is enjoying life and the rest of you are starving yourselves on one 100 calorie pack of Oreos.
February 26th, 2008 10:17 AM
Now Mike resurfaces as Jenny and Matt. Ever the raging bull. Literally.
But she did do the service this time of pointing out one of the top excuses of Fat Women Everywhere: The kids did this to me.
My response: motherhood is no excuse to let yourself go. ;-)
Will your body be exactly the same? No. There may be a stretch mark here and there but not necessarily cellulite.
But there is no excuse for it being the best you can be, EVEN after childbirth. It can be done but - again - you Have to care about yourself.
And with all the fat young adults running around today, beauty and fitness are no longer the hallmarks of youth. Have you been to the mall lately and seen the really fat teens who seem to think that overhanging guts accented with belly button piercings are even remotely appealing?
One day we will all be old, but there's no excuse for not being the best you can be until the day you die. For good health isn't just about appearances. It's about MOBILITY and feeling good and being able to have experiences that you wouldn't be able to if you end up crippled by weight like Mike/Sandra/Liz/Jenny/Matt.
And FYI: 2/4 is NOT vanity sizing or even skinny. For a small-framed person it simply marks a healthy, slender build.
Of course that's not something that Matt/Jenny/Mike/Sandra/Liz may ever understand until she takes responsibility for the fat that's killing her.
But she could if she'd just try....
Just do it. Mike/Sandra/Liz/Jenny/Matt. Put the fork down, back away from the table and start today to get healthy. I know you can.
As terrible as you may think those 100 calorie pack of Oreos are, can they really be as bad as the bloated image in the mirror that makes you cry? You know you hate yourself. That's why you keep coming back here to fight with me, signing on under various names in an attempt to convince yourself and others that what you know deep inside isn't reality.
Think about it, sweetie. Think about it every time you look in the mirror....
February 26th, 2008 1:31 PM
i'd like to point out that if one goes outside the us, where people are fat out of overeating and indolence, they will see older women who are a bit heavy, not because they're fat, but because they're older. chances are, they are more fit than a lot of young thin women. they work harder, walk more, and do more physical labor in general. this woman has a shape. i don't think she's obese because her physique is still pretty well defined for her size.
i think the people who would back pierce brosnan in leaving her are the scum of the earth. she does not appear to be unhealthy, and she is engaging in physical activity, rather than just sitting around and "tanning." i'm not applauding unhealthiness, but people need to take a step back and ask themselves how much they really know about this woman instead of assuming that just because she is heavy, she's unhealthy. no, i myself am not fat, i'm just sick of all the body image issues that people have.
February 26th, 2008 1:50 PM
I feel bad for the scrutiny Keeley is getting but she didn't get that heavy walking on the beach. She got that heavy by eating too much and not exercising enough. She is not proportioned either. She is close to being obese. Her thighs are huge and she has fat rolls on her back.
I work as a nutritionist and can tell you that people always blame their weight on everything but their own habits until they are faced with the truth about proper food choices, portion size and exercise. Sodas, snacks, alcohol are part of the problem and it adds up. If you take in more calories than you burn off you will go from what this poor woman in the photo used to look like to what she is today or worse.
I am sure she is not happy with herself when she compares the ways she is now to what she looked like when she got married.
February 26th, 2008 4:32 PM
Pierce Brosnan has gained a lot of weight too. The same set of photos that includes the one of Keely show some of him with his shirt off and both of them have become fat slobs.
February 27th, 2008 3:03 PM
Sooooo....I see that Queen Latifah has now joined Jenny Craig. I guess under the makeup and expensive clothing is a very honest woman who finally realized that fat isn't healthy or pretty. On her ad she says something about wanting to be the "best she can be."
Good for her.
February 29th, 2008 5:48 PM
Oh please Victoria, we are all aware that you are nothing but a fat slob who hates her life sooo much that the only enjoyment that you get out of life is getting on here trying to act like something that your not. So, do yourself and everyone else a favor and take you sorry fat ass to fat camp and get the help that you need. What is the worse that can happen, hmmm.. maybe you can loose a few pounds.
March 1st, 2008 9:36 AM
Poor "Mike." Now she's back as Leslie. I had a feeling she'd take the news about Queen Latifah especially hard, and fully expect her to assume another male identity claiming that Queen Latifah turns "him" on just the way she is!
Keep this up. "Mike" and you'll have as many identities as you do chins.
But take heart. If Queen Latifah can realize that the a better diet can make a better her, then maybe there's hope for you all after all!
In the meantime, while I don't like to laugh at the expense of clearly tortured people, you are making it very difficult.
March 3rd, 2008 1:18 AM
Victoria, you really are a dumbass who doesn't know what the hell she is talking about. My message that I left you about needing to go to fat camp was the first message and first time that I was on this site. I came across it and got to reading it. I think that you are in some serious need of some mental health. You seem to have a hard time facing the fact that you have angered soooo many people and that it is seems like you have no friends in life and looking at this, you have non online either. So, time for you to face realilty and come to terms that this is NOT just 1 person that is against you, but a WHOLE bunch of people that are against you!! So please hun, come on, do yourself the favor and stop making an ass of yourself and go and get the help that you need. It's not that we hate you, it's just that we really feel sorry for a sad, lonely, unloved, unwanted person that you are.
March 3rd, 2008 11:38 AM
I keep expecting this Mike person to come back posing as Pierce Brosnan and claiming that he loves his wife the way she is.
March 3rd, 2008 2:21 PM
Mike/Leslie...multiple personalities don't count as a bunch of people. And despite the fact that you are probably the size of three or four people you are just one. So keep on posting under pseudonyms and the rest us will continue to read with both amusement and a measure of pity.
There is help for you. If Queen Latifah can do it. So can you.
Again, good luck....
March 3rd, 2008 2:28 PM
Oh, and to Carla: Your prediction was much better than mine. Mike/Leslie would be far more interesting as Pierce Brosnan than as the Queen's paramour.
If we stick around long enough I expect we may seem both as Mike/Leslie seems to be splitting at an exponential rate.