Its late and I made a couple of typos. Sorry. I should have said the reality is in he mirror no matter what we WRITE. And also that rather than bickering WHY doesn't everyone just look in the mirror and ask whether the people they are fighting are really the enemy.
I really shouldn't try to type without my glasses. I do hope my words will make someone think though.
God Bless.
Craig Abernathy
April 30th, 2008 9:46 PM
A year ago I weighed 240 pounds. I slimmed down to 165 after joining Weight Watchers. It wasn't easy but I'm glad I did it. My cholesterol and my blood pressure are now within the normal range and for the first time in years I have the confidence to get out of the house. As an older gay man in a youth-oriented climate I was already feeling like I'd never find a partner. At least now I feel like I have a chance
I don't understand the argument that obesity is the same thing as racism. As a gay man who used to be fat, I didn't consider people who told me I had to lose weight as being homophobic.
Bottom line is this. When you stand in front of the mirror do you love your body or hate it? That's only something an individual can answer. The reality is in the mirror no matter what we right. The mirror doesn't lie to us even if we lie to ourselves.
Rather than bickering who doesn't everyone involved just look in the mirror and ask: Are the people I'm fighting with the enemy. Or is the enemy
Alice
April 29th, 2008 5:00 PM
oh come on Brandy!!!!!!. you shouldn´t be so mean, making rude comments about overweight people is not going to help anyone!!!!!. stop hating everyone!!! oh and one thing, when i was big I ALWAYS FELT GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!
Cindy
April 29th, 2008 3:19 PM
Oh, and let me just explain this one more time to you. Racism can come in many different ways and forms. Just as racism towards someone of color, religion, or anything that they are. Someone that sits back and makes rude comments, calls names, puts down or tries to degrade, that is racism. Do you fit that......... You sure do!! So just face the facts, you are a racist pig. If you are going to be one, atleast own up to it. Don't sit back and try to convince yourself that your not because the facts have shown that you are.
Cindy
April 29th, 2008 3:14 PM
Your right Jenny, she is a twat. A racist twat. She is to stupid to see or to understand when she has been told time and time again that it is a form of racism. But that is just her way of trying to get the spot light off of her. That is what the racist pigs of this world do. Just like the KKK, they wear sheets over their heads because they are to ignorant to show their faces. That is what Victoria/Brandy is doing, she is sitting back hiding behind her computer making her racist comments about overweight people. I am sure when she is out in the real world she is smiling and acting all nice to overweight people. I myself KNOW that I am a beautiful black woman, no I am not skinny, but I am also not overweight. And I have better things to do in my time aside from sitting here arguing with this racist pig. She can sit here all she wants and make her comments about overweight people because in the end, it is going to come back on her. My advice to you Victoria/Brandy, keep on making
Brandy
April 29th, 2008 2:21 PM
Jenny, do I know you? Who the hell is Victoria? Not that it matters really. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question from Cindy provided she's capable of actually giving one.
Brandy
April 29th, 2008 2:21 PM
Jenny, do I know you? Who the hell is Victoria? Not that it matters really. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question from Cindy provided she's capable of actually giving one.
Brandy
April 29th, 2008 11:59 AM
Cindy, you still didn't address my question. How is criticizing obesity the same thing as being racist? Did you not answer because you really don't know or because you really are just a fat, lonely white girl sitting home alone watching CSI?
And Alice, I hate to tell you this but there is no such thing as a big gorgeous girl, only unhappy fat women who discourage others from losing weight because misery loves company.
jenny
April 28th, 2008 2:23 PM
I think Brandi is really Victoria! OMG! She's doing what she's accused us of all doing, changing her name. What a twat!
Alice
April 28th, 2008 12:23 PM
I used to be a fat person and I do believe that there´s a lot of discrimination (i believe that´s what you meant cindy, but since there´s such rude people here they misinterpreted your words) towards overweight people and it doesn´t make things any easier. it's hard to deal with with the fact that you are not happy with the way you look, but all the criticism makes you go to your only friend: food. i´m not saying that being overweight is ok, but i don´t think that the dirty looks and hurtful words will help. it´s time to be nice to this people, we don't know their situation and they deserve respect and also IF THEY WANT TO our HELP!!.
to all big gorgeous girls out there i suggest not impose you to lose weight, in my case it has made things a lot easier and it´s an awesome confidence booster; but i also say if you are alright the way you are, keep your head up and don´t mind some of the vicious comments made here.
Cindy
April 27th, 2008 5:58 PM
OMG.. talk about someone grasping at straws you racist pig! Don't try to put your filthy racism on anyone but yourself. Trying to twist words, putting words in someones mouth that was never even said ot even thought of. What a sick twisted mind you have. May God have mercy on your soul!
Brandy
April 25th, 2008 9:51 AM
Cindy, you must be a sock puppet for another identity because clearly you are grasping at straws by making such a stupid comment.
How is criticizing obesity the same thing as racism? Are you trying to say that all black people are fat? Or that black people can't control their eating habits? The fat, smelly people I encountered on the train were not fat, by the way. So how can you infer racism from my comment?
If you're going to make such a statement, you should be able to back it up. Of course, if you are really just an angry, fat, lonely white woman who spends her time watching CSI and eating then I can understand if you can't explain it.
But please do try.
Cindy
April 23rd, 2008 12:50 AM
Thats right Brandy, keep on spreading your hate and racisim. Let me tell you, I am black so you can not preach nothing to me about the color of my skin and about being proud because you do not know nothing about it. So when it comes to that, you really should keep your mouth shut! And face the facs here, yes, that is a form of racisim that you have and are spreading. If telling yourself that it's not get you thru, then go right on ahead. That just goes to show your stupidity is worse than what we all thought. So, just keep living in your little bubble and thinking what you want. Cause when it comes down to it, you have no clue!
Alan
April 22nd, 2008 12:34 PM
I've seen worse than Keely and have dated a few plus size girls but they didn't have a shape like Keely still does. Still Keely should lose weight and I feel sorry for her husband. Dating a heavy girl is one thing. But I wouldn't want to settle down with one and don't think she would have caught her husband's eye if she'd looked like that when they met. That gal that said it's about being happy in your skin is missing the point. If you're happy being fat then it means you really don't care as much about yourself as you should. That's the problem with marrying somebody who's overweight. If they're happy being unhealthy they'll be happy if they're spouse or kids are unhealthy just as long as there are snacks in the pantry. That's not the kind of woman I'm looking for.
Brandy
April 22nd, 2008 7:36 AM
It's not a matter of overweight people not trying to keep clean. It's a matter of them not being able to. They sweat more and it's hard for some of them to thoroughly wash between all those rolls and folds.
And comparing blacks and fat people is an insult to blacks. Black people have a right to be proud and a right to be defensive over the way they are treated. Fat people don't, because they aren't born fat but get fat through a series of poor choices and lazy, gluttonous behaviors. If a fat person can't figure that out they are fat AND stupid. Again, sitting around eating and watching CSI will do that to you. Also, the color of one's skin doesn't cause someone to take up two seats on the bus and smell the place up by sweating and farting all while. I take the subway to and from work and know what I'm talking about. It is GROSS. And that is not being mean, it is simply a fact of life. If that offends you it is because you recognize yourself in the description, Cindy. Maybe you are h
Katie
April 21st, 2008 4:04 PM
Oh, and by the way Brandy, yes I have been around some overweight people that didn't smell to clean, just as I have been around smaller people who didn't smell very clean. That has nothing to do with weight, that has to do with bathing!!
Katie
April 21st, 2008 4:02 PM
WOW, Very well put Cindy!
Cindy
April 21st, 2008 11:30 AM
Brandy, it sounds to me like you are not happy in your skin. Must be causing you alot of problems in life since it looks like you have nothing better to do than to sit on here spread alot of b.s.! That is your right not to like overweight people, but come on, the way that you are talking about them is like how the KKK, skin heads, ect, ect, ect sit back and talk about blacks, jews, anyone that is not white. That is just another form of racism that you are spreading and that is really sad!
Brandy
April 21st, 2008 9:05 AM
Sorry. I don't buy that people can be happy with the skin they are in if that skin is holding in excess blubber that puts a strain on their joints, heart and muscles. The truth is that people who are really fat have a hard time because it's difficult to look good, feel good or (and I'm sorry to say this) even smell good. Have you ever sat beside a fat person in the summer? They sweat more and it is very hard for the really big ones to keep up with their personal cleanliness and hygiene. There are a lot of reasons to keep your weight down and absolutely no reason to be proud of being too large. Instead of sitting around eating ice cream and watching CSI, get out and exercise!
Katie
April 17th, 2008 4:33 PM
Now Sherry, that would be just STUPID to say that all the overweight people are overweight due to a medical/health issue. Yes, there are overweight people due to their poor eating and lifestyle habits. What I am saying is that you nor anyone else knows why a person is overweight so isn't that unfair of you and just poor judgement to sit back and call people names for being overweight when you really don't know WHY they are overweight?!?! And NEVER once did I see anyone on here state that 'Oh it is so great and wonderful to be overweight'. (there is your answer Brandy, buy the way people aren't strangly silent, we just have more to do in life than be on the internet 24/7). And the part about being/feeling good, that is called being happy in your own skin. Not everyone want to be a beanpole. But, I also relize that there are cruel mean people in this world and it seems like the ones that are so unhappy with themselves are people like you that feel the need to sit back and put peopl
Brandy
April 16th, 2008 8:53 PM
He probably stays with her for the kids, which is why people usually stay with someone after they let themselves go. He's put on a bit of weight himself so maybe he feels he doesn't deserve any better.
And "fat folks" who blame cheap food and the lack of a personal trainer for their weigh are being dishonest. You can eat sensibly and lose weight and no one is stopping you from walking or exercising.
Oh and would someone please answer Sherry's question? What IS good about being fat? Everyone who got so mad at the comments about the problems that come with extra weight are strangely silent.
lala
April 13th, 2008 11:18 PM
omg..I'm way bigger than her and I'm shocked she still has Pierce at that weight! She has the money for a personal trainer for chissakes, poor fat folks like me can't afford those and just settle for fast cheap food and early death instead.
Sherry
April 12th, 2008 7:51 AM
That's a lot of space devoted to a lame defense, Katie. Look around you at ALL the fat people, even kids. Then try to tell me that all of them are fat because of medical conditions. You won't be able to because obesity is most often caused by poor choices and not medical conditions.
You also spend a lot of time trying to convince everyone that fat people are happy but I don't buy that either.
If being fat is so great name one thing that's so good about it. A fat person would probably say eating makes them happy. But that shows you right there how miserable they are inside if they're constantly comforting themselves with food.
Of course that might not be your answer. I'd like to hear what you do have to say? What is good about being fat?
Katie
April 10th, 2008 5:04 PM
Sherry, what the hell are you talking about? You say that you sat and read all this, but you must not have been paying attention to it at all while you were reading it. You comment about few legitimate health issues that cause you to be overweight, my mother has been a nurse for over 40 years, I have an uncle that has been a doctor for the last 35 and a cousin that has been a doctor going on for 7 years now. I asked them each about this and they stated that there are medical/health problem that can cause a persons weight to get out of control, so before you go spouting off, you need to make sure you have you facts straight! As for your comment that fat is ugly and unsightly, that is how you think and that is your right, but as you want everyone to respect your opion, you have to do the same in return. To each his own. And about the comments about fat people being unhappy, how do you know that all fat people are unhappy?? Can you read their minds? Can you get intouch with their fe
Sherry
April 9th, 2008 8:23 AM
Very few have legitimate health issues that lead to obesity. For the majority of people it simply comes down to mathematics. Too much intake of calories plus too little exercise equals fat.
Fat people, or heavy people if the word fat offends you, get very shrill when someone suggests extra weight is not something to be proud of. I have read the posts and while Victoria may have been frank in her language she wasn't the only one calling names and I don't think it was her jabs that made people so mad but her message.
Fat is ugly. The old phrase "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind. You can only dress it up so much but ultimately extra weight carried on your legs, bottom and middle is unsightly and dangerous.
What does it matter what size Victoria or anyone else is? Good grief!! We are responsible for our own bodies. So look at your own in the mirror. If the body you see is not the body you want do something about it.
And about what this debate is teaching the children, hopefully it will
April 30th, 2008 9:50 PM
Its late and I made a couple of typos. Sorry. I should have said the reality is in he mirror no matter what we WRITE. And also that rather than bickering WHY doesn't everyone just look in the mirror and ask whether the people they are fighting are really the enemy.
I really shouldn't try to type without my glasses. I do hope my words will make someone think though.
God Bless.
April 30th, 2008 9:46 PM
A year ago I weighed 240 pounds. I slimmed down to 165 after joining Weight Watchers. It wasn't easy but I'm glad I did it. My cholesterol and my blood pressure are now within the normal range and for the first time in years I have the confidence to get out of the house. As an older gay man in a youth-oriented climate I was already feeling like I'd never find a partner. At least now I feel like I have a chance
I don't understand the argument that obesity is the same thing as racism. As a gay man who used to be fat, I didn't consider people who told me I had to lose weight as being homophobic.
Bottom line is this. When you stand in front of the mirror do you love your body or hate it? That's only something an individual can answer. The reality is in the mirror no matter what we right. The mirror doesn't lie to us even if we lie to ourselves.
Rather than bickering who doesn't everyone involved just look in the mirror and ask: Are the people I'm fighting with the enemy. Or is the enemy
April 29th, 2008 5:00 PM
oh come on Brandy!!!!!!. you shouldn´t be so mean, making rude comments about overweight people is not going to help anyone!!!!!. stop hating everyone!!! oh and one thing, when i was big I ALWAYS FELT GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2008 3:19 PM
Oh, and let me just explain this one more time to you. Racism can come in many different ways and forms. Just as racism towards someone of color, religion, or anything that they are. Someone that sits back and makes rude comments, calls names, puts down or tries to degrade, that is racism. Do you fit that......... You sure do!! So just face the facts, you are a racist pig. If you are going to be one, atleast own up to it. Don't sit back and try to convince yourself that your not because the facts have shown that you are.
April 29th, 2008 3:14 PM
Your right Jenny, she is a twat. A racist twat. She is to stupid to see or to understand when she has been told time and time again that it is a form of racism. But that is just her way of trying to get the spot light off of her. That is what the racist pigs of this world do. Just like the KKK, they wear sheets over their heads because they are to ignorant to show their faces. That is what Victoria/Brandy is doing, she is sitting back hiding behind her computer making her racist comments about overweight people. I am sure when she is out in the real world she is smiling and acting all nice to overweight people. I myself KNOW that I am a beautiful black woman, no I am not skinny, but I am also not overweight. And I have better things to do in my time aside from sitting here arguing with this racist pig. She can sit here all she wants and make her comments about overweight people because in the end, it is going to come back on her. My advice to you Victoria/Brandy, keep on making
April 29th, 2008 2:21 PM
Jenny, do I know you? Who the hell is Victoria? Not that it matters really. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question from Cindy provided she's capable of actually giving one.
April 29th, 2008 2:21 PM
Jenny, do I know you? Who the hell is Victoria? Not that it matters really. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question from Cindy provided she's capable of actually giving one.
April 29th, 2008 11:59 AM
Cindy, you still didn't address my question. How is criticizing obesity the same thing as being racist? Did you not answer because you really don't know or because you really are just a fat, lonely white girl sitting home alone watching CSI?
And Alice, I hate to tell you this but there is no such thing as a big gorgeous girl, only unhappy fat women who discourage others from losing weight because misery loves company.
April 28th, 2008 2:23 PM
I think Brandi is really Victoria! OMG! She's doing what she's accused us of all doing, changing her name. What a twat!
April 28th, 2008 12:23 PM
I used to be a fat person and I do believe that there´s a lot of discrimination (i believe that´s what you meant cindy, but since there´s such rude people here they misinterpreted your words) towards overweight people and it doesn´t make things any easier. it's hard to deal with with the fact that you are not happy with the way you look, but all the criticism makes you go to your only friend: food. i´m not saying that being overweight is ok, but i don´t think that the dirty looks and hurtful words will help. it´s time to be nice to this people, we don't know their situation and they deserve respect and also IF THEY WANT TO our HELP!!.
to all big gorgeous girls out there i suggest not impose you to lose weight, in my case it has made things a lot easier and it´s an awesome confidence booster; but i also say if you are alright the way you are, keep your head up and don´t mind some of the vicious comments made here.
April 27th, 2008 5:58 PM
OMG.. talk about someone grasping at straws you racist pig! Don't try to put your filthy racism on anyone but yourself. Trying to twist words, putting words in someones mouth that was never even said ot even thought of. What a sick twisted mind you have. May God have mercy on your soul!
April 25th, 2008 9:51 AM
Cindy, you must be a sock puppet for another identity because clearly you are grasping at straws by making such a stupid comment.
How is criticizing obesity the same thing as racism? Are you trying to say that all black people are fat? Or that black people can't control their eating habits? The fat, smelly people I encountered on the train were not fat, by the way. So how can you infer racism from my comment?
If you're going to make such a statement, you should be able to back it up. Of course, if you are really just an angry, fat, lonely white woman who spends her time watching CSI and eating then I can understand if you can't explain it.
But please do try.
April 23rd, 2008 12:50 AM
Thats right Brandy, keep on spreading your hate and racisim. Let me tell you, I am black so you can not preach nothing to me about the color of my skin and about being proud because you do not know nothing about it. So when it comes to that, you really should keep your mouth shut! And face the facs here, yes, that is a form of racisim that you have and are spreading. If telling yourself that it's not get you thru, then go right on ahead. That just goes to show your stupidity is worse than what we all thought. So, just keep living in your little bubble and thinking what you want. Cause when it comes down to it, you have no clue!
April 22nd, 2008 12:34 PM
I've seen worse than Keely and have dated a few plus size girls but they didn't have a shape like Keely still does. Still Keely should lose weight and I feel sorry for her husband. Dating a heavy girl is one thing. But I wouldn't want to settle down with one and don't think she would have caught her husband's eye if she'd looked like that when they met. That gal that said it's about being happy in your skin is missing the point. If you're happy being fat then it means you really don't care as much about yourself as you should. That's the problem with marrying somebody who's overweight. If they're happy being unhealthy they'll be happy if they're spouse or kids are unhealthy just as long as there are snacks in the pantry. That's not the kind of woman I'm looking for.
April 22nd, 2008 7:36 AM
It's not a matter of overweight people not trying to keep clean. It's a matter of them not being able to. They sweat more and it's hard for some of them to thoroughly wash between all those rolls and folds.
And comparing blacks and fat people is an insult to blacks. Black people have a right to be proud and a right to be defensive over the way they are treated. Fat people don't, because they aren't born fat but get fat through a series of poor choices and lazy, gluttonous behaviors. If a fat person can't figure that out they are fat AND stupid. Again, sitting around eating and watching CSI will do that to you. Also, the color of one's skin doesn't cause someone to take up two seats on the bus and smell the place up by sweating and farting all while. I take the subway to and from work and know what I'm talking about. It is GROSS. And that is not being mean, it is simply a fact of life. If that offends you it is because you recognize yourself in the description, Cindy. Maybe you are h
April 21st, 2008 4:04 PM
Oh, and by the way Brandy, yes I have been around some overweight people that didn't smell to clean, just as I have been around smaller people who didn't smell very clean. That has nothing to do with weight, that has to do with bathing!!
April 21st, 2008 4:02 PM
WOW, Very well put Cindy!
April 21st, 2008 11:30 AM
Brandy, it sounds to me like you are not happy in your skin. Must be causing you alot of problems in life since it looks like you have nothing better to do than to sit on here spread alot of b.s.! That is your right not to like overweight people, but come on, the way that you are talking about them is like how the KKK, skin heads, ect, ect, ect sit back and talk about blacks, jews, anyone that is not white. That is just another form of racism that you are spreading and that is really sad!
April 21st, 2008 9:05 AM
Sorry. I don't buy that people can be happy with the skin they are in if that skin is holding in excess blubber that puts a strain on their joints, heart and muscles. The truth is that people who are really fat have a hard time because it's difficult to look good, feel good or (and I'm sorry to say this) even smell good. Have you ever sat beside a fat person in the summer? They sweat more and it is very hard for the really big ones to keep up with their personal cleanliness and hygiene. There are a lot of reasons to keep your weight down and absolutely no reason to be proud of being too large. Instead of sitting around eating ice cream and watching CSI, get out and exercise!
April 17th, 2008 4:33 PM
Now Sherry, that would be just STUPID to say that all the overweight people are overweight due to a medical/health issue. Yes, there are overweight people due to their poor eating and lifestyle habits. What I am saying is that you nor anyone else knows why a person is overweight so isn't that unfair of you and just poor judgement to sit back and call people names for being overweight when you really don't know WHY they are overweight?!?! And NEVER once did I see anyone on here state that 'Oh it is so great and wonderful to be overweight'. (there is your answer Brandy, buy the way people aren't strangly silent, we just have more to do in life than be on the internet 24/7). And the part about being/feeling good, that is called being happy in your own skin. Not everyone want to be a beanpole. But, I also relize that there are cruel mean people in this world and it seems like the ones that are so unhappy with themselves are people like you that feel the need to sit back and put peopl
April 16th, 2008 8:53 PM
He probably stays with her for the kids, which is why people usually stay with someone after they let themselves go. He's put on a bit of weight himself so maybe he feels he doesn't deserve any better.
And "fat folks" who blame cheap food and the lack of a personal trainer for their weigh are being dishonest. You can eat sensibly and lose weight and no one is stopping you from walking or exercising.
Oh and would someone please answer Sherry's question? What IS good about being fat? Everyone who got so mad at the comments about the problems that come with extra weight are strangely silent.
April 13th, 2008 11:18 PM
omg..I'm way bigger than her and I'm shocked she still has Pierce at that weight! She has the money for a personal trainer for chissakes, poor fat folks like me can't afford those and just settle for fast cheap food and early death instead.
April 12th, 2008 7:51 AM
That's a lot of space devoted to a lame defense, Katie. Look around you at ALL the fat people, even kids. Then try to tell me that all of them are fat because of medical conditions. You won't be able to because obesity is most often caused by poor choices and not medical conditions.
You also spend a lot of time trying to convince everyone that fat people are happy but I don't buy that either.
If being fat is so great name one thing that's so good about it. A fat person would probably say eating makes them happy. But that shows you right there how miserable they are inside if they're constantly comforting themselves with food.
Of course that might not be your answer. I'd like to hear what you do have to say? What is good about being fat?
April 10th, 2008 5:04 PM
Sherry, what the hell are you talking about? You say that you sat and read all this, but you must not have been paying attention to it at all while you were reading it. You comment about few legitimate health issues that cause you to be overweight, my mother has been a nurse for over 40 years, I have an uncle that has been a doctor for the last 35 and a cousin that has been a doctor going on for 7 years now. I asked them each about this and they stated that there are medical/health problem that can cause a persons weight to get out of control, so before you go spouting off, you need to make sure you have you facts straight! As for your comment that fat is ugly and unsightly, that is how you think and that is your right, but as you want everyone to respect your opion, you have to do the same in return. To each his own. And about the comments about fat people being unhappy, how do you know that all fat people are unhappy?? Can you read their minds? Can you get intouch with their fe
April 9th, 2008 8:23 AM
Very few have legitimate health issues that lead to obesity. For the majority of people it simply comes down to mathematics. Too much intake of calories plus too little exercise equals fat.
Fat people, or heavy people if the word fat offends you, get very shrill when someone suggests extra weight is not something to be proud of. I have read the posts and while Victoria may have been frank in her language she wasn't the only one calling names and I don't think it was her jabs that made people so mad but her message.
Fat is ugly. The old phrase "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind. You can only dress it up so much but ultimately extra weight carried on your legs, bottom and middle is unsightly and dangerous.
What does it matter what size Victoria or anyone else is? Good grief!! We are responsible for our own bodies. So look at your own in the mirror. If the body you see is not the body you want do something about it.
And about what this debate is teaching the children, hopefully it will