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September 24th, 2009 3:05 PM
Rene took the words out of my mouth. Mac was obviously in serious trouble when starring in one life to live. Now we know why. I am so filled with admiration and awe for Mackenzie. I am also very touched by her siblings reactions. Her stepmother can't handle the truth. But whatever she started up w/ Mr.Mac at age 16. Mr. Mac was deeply sick. Not only is he guilty of raping his daughter,he's also a pedophile. I mean A 16 year old wife? Mackenzies revelations come on the heels of Kathy Griffins revelations about her pedophile brother. Both these women are Heros in my book. What they are doing by disclosing is reaching unknowable numbers of people struggling with their own family histories of abuse. Now if only David Carradine's incest victim will finally get some help too.
September 24th, 2009 1:26 PM
Bet Dr. Phil has her lined up as a guest already! maybe he can help her deal with this. i cant believe after all those years no one else clued in to what was happening & spilled the beans...someone must have seen somthing...seriously.
September 24th, 2009 11:00 AM
Wow. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people freak the hell out and start spewing venom when faced with information their little tiny minds can't handle. Not everyone gets to grow up trauma-free, and so
time your itty- bitty little pea brains just have to process it. This kind of thing happens a lot more frequently than you know. Deal with it. Too effing bad if it makes you all squirmy and uncomfortable, you weak- willed sheep. Don't like the underbelly of human existance? Keep watching Disney.
September 24th, 2009 8:59 AM
fyi... Oprah does NOT pay the people she interviews on her show. So Mackinzie didn't make any money from Oprah. And I seriously doubt she'll make megamillions from selling her book. I really don't think monetary greed was a motive here. I think self-survival and an honest desire to help other incest victims was a few of her main motives.
September 24th, 2009 3:00 AM
Apparently not all of you commenting on this actually SAW her on Oprah. There was nothing fake about this. Maya; Mac never claims that she is innocent. In fact, she takes responsibility for MORE than she should. She is well aware of the fact that what they were doing was wrong, but she was legitimitely in awe of her father and at the time she rationalized away all of the things saying "this is not right". She boxed them up and put the feelings away.
KayKay; "daughters and fathers to not do that together." And people aren't supposed to murder, and women don't sell their body's for money...but it sure happens, doesn't it? It certainly isn't the norm...not in the US anyway. In some foreign countries it's extremely normal, incest, that is. Be careful when you generalize. WE may know better, but when you are the one walking in the storm it's a heck of a lot harder to see the sunshine or even believe that it's there.
I think the important thing here is to realize that she ACKNOWLEDES that this was a CONSENSUAL incest. She is not trying to make excuses, she is just trying to share her story with the world...she admits that she is WELL aware there will be backlash, but she wanted to possibly help those who have suffered from the same things. It's her coping mechanism. And it's already sounding like it's working. To those of you have shared your story here, it is truly touching, and my thoughts are with you.
One other note; have you ever heard of Stockholm's syndrome? You begin to love your "captor".
I suggest those of you who are so quick to pass judgement, you should actually WATCH the segment of Mackenzie on Oprah.
September 24th, 2009 2:48 AM
10 effing years? WTH? It's either she was in it willingly, or she is lying.
Either way, her father isn't here to defend himself or be held accountable.
How convenient!
This woman is cashing in on an alleged tragedy. I'm sorry for not feeling sorry for her. But to announce it on Oprah rather than inform the authorities when the supposed culprit was still alive? What's that I hear? Oh yeah, the clinking sound. Cha-ching!$$$$
September 24th, 2009 12:49 AM
I can't believe some of these comments that are blaming her and putting her on the same level as her dad. When she was a child he shot her up with drugs and had her doing drugs with him all the time. What parent would ever do that? She was too young at the time to have chosen to be an addict. Who even know if the abuse started earlier? When she was 19, he raped her in a blackout after drug use. By the point she was having consensual sex with him, she was probably in a complete fog. It is really sad that some of the comments are so cruel to her.
September 23rd, 2009 10:55 PM
wow. It's unbelievable that anyone would blame Mackenzie for what she did. When your parent is teaching you a certain lifestyle, it's awfully hard to question it, even if you suspect it's wrong. As a victim of childhood sexual abuse, I guarantee that it screws with your head. Badly. Drugs and sex were a family lifestyle. And you expect her to buck that when it's what she was trained to do? You have a serious problem if you think she should have just overcome these huge obstacles. There is a special place in hell for people like that.
September 23rd, 2009 10:37 PM
this woman has had a needle in her arm for over thirty years. an addict is always thinking up new ways to get money. once the hoopla passes on this one she will have another bombshell to tell.
September 23rd, 2009 10:01 PM
THANK YOU Mackenzie!!! your not alone...
September 23rd, 2009 9:04 PM
You know this is a toughie! Because she(MacKenzie) could very well be capitalizing on her father's fame to bring her fortune? I mean what better way to sell a book than to tell tall tales? Because you all know that we as a whole tend to buy and/or listen to the tell all book!(myself included)It could go either way... It's a case of she says and he can't say! Who Knows? The only ones who really know are John and Mackenzie.If it's true than shame on him! If it's not true than shame on her for taking advantage of fame! The fact of the matter is? Shame on her MOTHER! where was she?
September 23rd, 2009 7:37 PM
Mackenzie is so brave for finally coming forward with her story. John Phillips was a sad pathetic human being who took advantage of his power as most abusers do. Good for Mackenzie for showing other victims that there is life after the abuse.
September 23rd, 2009 7:18 PM
THIS FUCKING BITCH CAN LIE,IF SHE WAS FUCKING HER DAD FOR 10 YEARS AN DIDN'T SAY SHIT TIL NOW THAT MEANS SHE LIKED TO FUCK HIM,I WOULDN'T LET MY DOG FUCK THIS BITCH !!!!
September 23rd, 2009 6:46 PM
Silly girl! Everyone knows you save the "found myself pregnant" nugget for the NEXT book.
September 23rd, 2009 6:37 PM
another comment for those who like to state that 19 year olds are adults...
the brain does not finish forming fully until you are roughly 24
if you do any drugs before this time you damage the frontal lobe, which is the part that is still forming, and is responsible for emotional responses to things...basically being able to act in a mature fashion, controlling your responses to things, and interpreting other's emotional responses and intentions...
also, for those who live in the USA, 19 is clearly not an adult to you....you don't allow 19 year olds to drink legally....21 is the legal drinking age.
Judging a young girl's response to her father, a supposed role model, supposed protector, and authority figure...
if the person who did these things to her had been her teacher, what would people say then??
a teacher is an authority figure, but not a relative, and yet i think these critics of the victim would probably crucify the teacher worse than this incestuous drug peddling father she had.
growing up in that time period, where there was not the access to support there is today...and in a time of 'peace, love' etc. and with a father in the music business...
people are daring to criticise her for being messed up??
look at miss britney spears, or paris hilton for that matter, nicole ritchie...
all these girls have had some messed up circumstances in their past, and all have been tied to the hollywood scene, music industry, and a completely different world to grow up in.
every person is a product of their environment, your parents are supposed to be there to try and make it a safe environment, to take care of you and protect you....not to inject you with drugs and rape you.
If she wants to make money off of this, who gives a crap. let her. It's her story, it's her right. She is helping victims to feel less afraid to come forward and point the finger at their oppressor.
Her family should perhaps try worrying about her instead of themselves, and their precious image/reputation.
Serves the father right to have this made public, so he can be written down in history for what he really was.
Sometimes people are so blinded by their own selfishness to see the pain of others. it's truly sad.
September 23rd, 2009 6:07 PM
lemonpie, Thank you for your kind, thoughtful comments. I was on another message board where all the comments were quite disturbing--calling Ms. Phillips sick, disgusting, opportunistic...and as mean and ugly as people were being in their attacks, I am willing to bet those comments are no worse than the names Ms. Phillips has been calling herself all these years. The shame runs so deep and can manifest itself in so many different ways...I'm glad to see that not everybody is so unfeeling and callous.
I'm a recovering addict who was molested as a child. I think Ms. Phillips is incredibly brave to share her story so publicly, knowing full well that she risked getting the kinds of reactions she has been getting from ignorant, insensitive people. I suspect that some of the most hateful comments are coming from people who have not come to terms with their own pasts--denial can be a powerful shield.
It's really f***ing hard sometimes to recover from this crap. I've been working at it for almost 20 years and I STILL am not healed. I suspect it will be a lifelong process. What is amazing to me is the timing of this information as a tool for my own recovery. I see Ms. Phillips' confessions as a gift: Although I am a smart, talented, hard-working professional, I still act out in ways that are counterproductive or that may seem self-sabotaging to the outsider. And then I start beating myself up all over again.
Today, I received an amazing insight from my therapist (whom I saw before discovering that Mackenzie Phillips was a "trending topic" on Twitter). He suggested that instead of trying to break down my wall of shame, that I should get to know it intimately and then create a path around it. He suggested it will always be there, but maybe if I acknowledge it and then imagine myself on the other side of that 20-feet-tall, 2-feet-thick brick wall of shame in a quiet, beautiful, sunny place, that somehow I will be able to make peace with it and carry on in spite of it.
Like many shame-based people, I tend to block out the root causes and then blame myself for all my shortcomings. As painful as I'm sure it was for Ms. Phillips to share her secret shame with the entire world, I want her to know that she has helped at least one person recognize her own at a pivotal moment. If we were to meet, I would give her a hug and thank her for being so brave. She, lemonpie, and everyone else who have made comments in support of Ms. Phillips and about how difficult it can be to recover from the worst form of betrayal ever have helped at least one survivor feel a little bit better. It is good to know that I am not alone.
God bless you, Mackenzie Phillips. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
September 23rd, 2009 5:51 PM
Why on earth would she want the whole world to know about this?
September 23rd, 2009 5:42 PM
Wither this is true or not the only reason to write this book and go on Oprah is to make money.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for this women who spent years doing drugs and doing her father.
I don't feel sorry for her at all. At 18 or 19 you wake up and your father is having sex with you, you either like it or you leave and tell someone to get help.
So If it is true then she must have liked it to keep it up for 11 years.
She is trash and should be ashamed to do this to make some money.
September 23rd, 2009 5:32 PM
Here is the fact of the matter, for those who are saying "it's her fault" think about this, if your sister came to you and told you your father got her on drugs and she was in a relationship with him while high, would you really respond with "you are a shame to this family!" I would hope not, The right way to respond is to feel sorry for your sister. and further more, if you didn't feel sorry for her, then its because you received that fucked up genetics that the father had... so for those who blame Mac, please don't have children, you'll end up raping them too and making them feel like it's their fault. THIS is the problem with the human race, not MacKenzie... its the people that have no way of connecting with others... stop judging and try to understand.... people who waste their time hating others and being angry, they end up being older and uglier because anger and hate takes too much out of a person... try to be an example and just smile and feel for those who aren't as fortunate as you.
September 23rd, 2009 5:30 PM
For Maya, who seems to want to blame the daughter of a rapist for her rape (he started having sex with his daughter while she was not conscious--that is rape):
Her father was the one (we are talking about a PARENT) who began to inject her with drugs. This woman is lucky she is alive with that kind of abuse done to her -- I heard one child therapist discussing this kind of monster parent and she called them "soul murderers" and I think that fits this situation perfectly.
If he was capable of injecting his own daughter with dangerous drugs that he as an adult knows will send her down a path of ill health and unhappiness, he bascially claimed her as his hostage, and THAT unhealthy and unholy view he took and behavior toward her began, I am certain, long before he even took that first filthy needle to her innocent arm.
This monster who raised her and did not suddenly become a horrible father when he had been a 'good dad' prior to these incidents. He obviously had nothing to offer as far as parenting was concerned, and did not uphold his duty to treat her like a human being with proper boundaries, nor did he offer her any valuable lessons in how to navigate her life.
She is not responsible for the depraved sickness he trapped her into, and any incest expert would testify to that.
It is just so tragic that he got away with this torment of his own child. She should have been rescued by someone. Instead, like other children who are sexually abused, others in the abuser's circle either know about it (sounds like Mr. Jagger did know) or else they somehow pick up on the abusive relationship, as predators are wont to, and re-victimize the child.
I wish Ms. Phillips the very best. I hope that by coming forward, she has taken another step toward healing. She needs and deserves to heal. I am glad her sister is supportive. That is half the battle.
September 23rd, 2009 5:23 PM
Most rapist and molesters know one thing if nothing else; they can always count on people taking their side against their accusers. They have always had this fact in their favor. I guess it is human nature to blame the victim and to give the benefit of doubt to the predator. Why do you think the predator tell kids or other victims that no one will ever believe them.
Many young adults don’t have the capacity to think as a mature adult. They don’t process danger well. That’s why they are classified as a high risk group for insurance or other purposes. This is why it is an outstanding accomplishment when people in the age group of 18 years thru 26 years of age do any of the following: maintain successful businesses or marriages, become noted leaders in social causes, or burn the deed on the 1st or 2nd home. Most people in this age group are still experimenting with different things and people. They have not really begun to process the fact that every decision, good or bad, will have an impact on your future.
History has taught me to be open and listen to the secrets that are revealed from the past. Yes I too have secrets and I also know many men and women who keep the secrets because to be violated a second time is just not worth it. That is the only way to rid some families, religious organizations or other organizations of their systemic tolerance of incest, rape and other sexual crimes. If no one ever tells, nothing will ever change.
As for me, I believe her.
September 23rd, 2009 5:03 PM
Pray for her and her family....coulda been you!
September 23rd, 2009 5:01 PM
This is disgusting. Mackenzie is NO victim.
It's obvious she is hoping to cash in on this sick story, I cant even describe how disgusted I am. This story is only one sided, as her dad cant say what went on between them. Drugs or no drugs, ITS NO SECRET THAT FATHERS AND DAUGHTERS DONT DO THAT STUFF TOGETHER!!!!!!!! How effing dumb do you have to be? Seriously. After she gets paid to do a tell all interview, she will just go out and buy drugs with that money. What a shame. This woman needs serious help. A straight jacket would be a good first step.
Ugh......it's disturbing to think that people do crazy stuff like this.
September 23rd, 2009 4:56 PM
Sharing this information publicly is a very brave thing to do.
I hope that it brings hope to others who are experiencing any kind of incest or abuse, so that they know they are not alone.
Victims of incest do not speak up about it precisely because of the criticism and judgment they're afraid people will place on them. They are made to feel that it is their fault and that they should never tell.
This is why incest continues in so many families. People who are brave enough to come forward and share such experiences should be made to feel safe.
It's unfair to judge Mackenzie as an adult based on your own experiences of life. She had a very different upbringing to most children where the normal rules or boundaries that other children experience didn't apply.
A child who is neglected by their parents will already be facing issues, and one who was raped at 14 and using drugs would not have been capable of making rational decisions without receiving intense counseling.
I am so proud of Mackenzie for being brave enough to share her story, so that others in the same predicament feel that they are able to come forward and seek counseling also.
September 23rd, 2009 4:37 PM
It is sad because I can personally tell you that these men make you feel like there is nothing wrong going on and make you think that all other fathers do the same thing. I was only 14 when my father had sex with me. I also got into drugs but when I was 24 I met a man who helped me get sober but when we would get into fights he would throw it in my face about my father and tell me how disgusted he was to have sex with me because my own fatehrs privates had been in me. I stayed with him for 10 years. Now I have found freedom from all this by spiritual and psychological help. I hope she finds the same.