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July 6th, 2008 12:07 PM
Faith is what sustains us. We don't put it on and take it off according to what feels comfortable and not is not. It doesn't matter that Clay is older. Your faith grows with age and maturity. So everyone can just drop the old "that was Clay then and this is Clay now" adage. He is the same person, who knows the same Lord and his faith has probably grown not diminished.
I agree with those who have said that fathering a child outside of marriage is not what God would want. So, how it is a good thing to try to go around God's plans for us? Clay needs a wife to have children. That was God's plan for mankind from the very beginning and when he is ready for Clay to be a father, there is no doubt that he will also send him a wife, not a surrogate. Likewise, if it is his will for Jaymes to become a mother, he will send her a husband. However, if Jaymes can't wait she could have gone through many agencies for in vitro rather than have someone that you work for and are friends with to donate sperm. I have a lot of very good, close friends who I love with all my heart but I would never have their babies. Just the thought of having a friends sperm placed inside of me is disgusting.
As I stated earlier, I am still waiting on Clay for the truth. In the meantime, I think that there are some mean, evil, jealous, people who would do anything to divide and conquer his fan base. In the end the truth will be known and if it is the truth then I will walk away even though I have been a devoted and enthusiastic fan from the beginning. There are just some things that turn people away and this would be it for me. I am not judging, but rather the Lord that I serve is. He is the judge and he has given me the instruction book to teach me how to know the difference between right and wrong.
July 6th, 2008 12:51 PM
For all his post-Idol years, Clay has talked about lots of things. Two of those comments have always been the same. It is very difficult to find anyone he could trust - anyone who would love him for his current job, the position and money, or love him for himself. Considering that he felt no one paid attention to him at all before Idol, his comment makes total sense. Also, we must notice that old friends may have elaborated on and reconstructed their knowledge of Clay just for the attention they gained by doing so.
Let's look at the Thank You Clay sent to Jaymes two years ago, in the album cover of A Thousand Different Ways:
"Jaymes Foster: how we ended up on the
same page in each other's lives at the same
time, I may never understand. What I do know
is that I am thankful daily that God saw fit to
introduce me to someone as talented, wise and
genuine as you. That you believed in me
enough to take on this project with me and
stick with it through so much has been one of
the biggest blessings I've been given. But not
as big as the blessing of having you as a
trusted and indispensable friend."
From true, deep friendship often comes real love.
I think it is understandable that these two real friends have enough love between them to joyfully raise a precious, loved and adored child.
Also, please remember that Clay, in November of '07, was about to embark on a new tour, and that there were serious, frightening threats made against him for his first show in Wichita. And they weren't the first nor the last.
I find it a good thing that Clay and Jaymes were planning to keep the child a secret until after it was safely born. No pregnancy is without risk, and his one more than normal. I pray for a safe pregnancy, and a happy, healthy child, who will have been blessed beyond reason. God may very well want Clay or have children. Clay has found someone he loves AND trusts, and I am very happy for him. For Jaymes, always be as happy as this child makes you. You are a very lucky gal.
July 6th, 2008 1:37 PM
AGAIN! No one knows for sure if this baby is Clay's. How about having faith in the man, for his request, not to believe anything you hear until you hear it from him. Why would anyone believe anything that TMZ says on face value.
And. .not only now is Clay being judged, so are people writing here. Again. anyone who writes something here, is all of a sudden lumped into a group, of who you are assuming, somebody is. Remember what it is they say about when you assume something? Well, now here are two assupmtions being made.. that what TMZ says is truth.. and whoever writes something here in defense of Clay, is whatever horrible name you want to call them.
You dont know me. You don't know if I am a fan, or not. Or a Claymate or not. And, dont Claymates.. or whatever level of fan anyone consideres themselves, allowed to speak their opinion? Aren't they alowed to defend?
Someone can come out and trash, and belittle, and degrade Clay. They can spew out all of the lies they believe. And, we're supposed to believe these people are sane and normal? But, as soon as anyone on Clay's side defends him. they're crazy? Or, how was it put, 'a poisened penned' Claymate. So, only saying negative things makes you sane? Why is one side ok to talk about, and the other side is not? Talk about double standard. Talk about bashing people for doing exactly they same thing the others do.. except at least the fans of Clay are positive, and stand up for something, they believe in. The other side spends so much wasted time, talking about how much they hate someone, or don't like what they are doing etc, etc, etc. How sad so many spend so much of their time and energy on hate, and they waste so much of their precious time, on someone they do not like. At least the Claymates, are putting their energy into something positive.
I will never, ever, ever, understand.. why so many hateful people,spend their time and energy on someone they do not like. If you don't like, them, then so be it. Why not spend your time on who you do like. At least that would be more productive.
July 6th, 2008 1:42 PM
Hogwash Jo!
A good and trusted friend would never have put the other in jeopardy of losing a career and being made a laughing stock.
And to all of those who continue to fantasize about a Jaymes/Clay romance, keep dreaming. I have seen and heard plenty of evidence to the contrary. That doesn't mean I don't think they should legitimize this baby. They have made a mess of this unborn child's life. Now they need to clean up their mess. It won't stop the jokes but it will legitimize this child's life. In fact, I think they deserve each other. I can just see it now. Clay pushing Jaymes in a wheel chair to their son's graduation. How lovely.
The high opinion I have had of Clay Aiken's voice has been overridden by a now equally opposite opinion of the man. His behavior has really hurt many, many fans and that trumps the voice every time for me.
July 6th, 2008 3:47 PM
Still, jumping to conclusoins. We do not know the baby is Clay's. I don't know why people believe the tabloids and gossip. Clay's voice isn't only a singing one. He has a speaking voice too. And, his speaking voice tells of the humanitarian and good person he is. I love Clay for all that he does. Not just his singing.
July 6th, 2008 5:45 PM
Katicans is clearly not a former fan. She/he's one of the Clay-Haters who follow Clay articles around as though it were her/his job. Perhaps it is! Perhaps Katicans is being paid to besmirch Clay. That makes more sense to me than to think anyone would bother to be such an obnoxious beast about a perfectly fine young man if they were not getting paid. So, please, pay no attention to her/his rantings. They're simply the crap a creep comes up with. Clay has survived a lot worse than her/his ravings, and will continue to do so....with or without the support of the few soon-to-be former fans who think Clay should do things the way THEY think he should.
July 6th, 2008 8:11 PM
I am sick and tired of this Clay-hater business. For five years Claymates have harped that mantra when anyone didn't think Clay Aiken was perfect. I never HAVE thought he was perfect but I never in my wildest imagination, thought he was capable of this.
Now I understand the members of the Clackhouse. They are all about smut and must have recognized Clay for what he was all along.
I wish someone would pay me...back for all the money I have spent on Clay's CDs and concerts.
July 6th, 2008 8:53 PM
My husband is a Baptist minister. He has often used the passage in Matthew 7:1-5 as his sermon topic. This passage has also been used in Sunday School lessons and study sessions in many Christian churches. The first verse, "Judge not, lest ye be judged," is frequently quoted out of context. In fact, the rest of the passage teaches us that as believers who have examined our own lives and attempted to live according to God's instructions, we are indeed to judge the actions of others in order to help them grow. This verse is not speaking to not judging at all -- it is speaking to not judging unfairly or in any other cheap and selfish way. Jesus was talking to the multitudes who had gathered after hearing of His message and of His healings to ask them to not become like the Pharisees and hypocrites who thought they were above sin.
The passage continues as follows, with commentary in brackets. "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly and honestly, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other unfair means, our judgment will reflect it]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even -- and especially -- those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense we think of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother's eye [to judge and to help him become a better person]."
I think it is important to not interpret scripture out of context and misinterpret its meaning.
I think Clay Aiken is a very good and faithful man. But if this story is true -- and we still have no confirmation -- I believe he was either misguided in his desire to help a friend or impatient in his desire to have a child. I think he probably did pray about the matter. But I don't think he took the time to listen for God's answer. If it is true, it won't be the first time a human has not waited for God's answer. I know that he will very much love any child that he may have, now or in the future, but I don't think having a child in this manner is a very good idea. I expect that there may be difficulties for all involved down the road, but I hope that they will find a way to do what is best for everyone concerned.
July 6th, 2008 9:02 PM
Geesh people, get a grip. Clay is not your brother, your father, your friend or even a familiar acquiantance to any of you. He's a singer, an entertainer. Fans and non-fans alike are way too invested in his personal life. Fans are at least obsessed in a positive way, but the haters are just obsessed in negative way. I can't see why anything Clay Aiken says or does should matter to people who don't like him. That borders on rediculousness. His choices as to the baby have nothing to do with his ability to sing or entertain. They also have nothing to do with his ability to work for charity--having a baby will just reinforce his desire to make a difference for children. I may not care for his choice of partner, but that is his choice and his life. For someone to base their fandom on that means they have been way too involved. Clay can't live the life you want him to live. He lives it his way just as no one can tell you how to live yours. There is way to much that is not known and the tabloids spin everything in a negative way.
July 6th, 2008 10:27 PM
"If it is true, it won't be the first time a human has not waited for God's answer."
I definitely believe Clay didn't wait to hear an answer or he didn't like the answer he heard. As I said, I also hope they find a way to do what is best for the child...which is to marry. I don't think this child deserves a lifetime of jokes being made about him.
I am very public in my disappointment because I have championed the person I thought was Clay to friends and family for a long time. I feel like a fool now and yes, I think I was over invested.
The one lesson I take from this is I will never again invest myself in the success of anyone and especially someone like the person I believed Clay Aiken to be, again.
July 7th, 2008 1:29 AM
That's fine. Clay doesn't need fair weathered fans anyway. He's a good person. And moral person. Someone who is out there helping people. He is making a difference in people's lives. More then most people. I hope one of your good friends, doesn't ever do anything you find unforgivable. Despite. .the 1000's of wonderful things they have done. It wiould be very difficult to keep up to your standards. If you are so for Clay having to follow your rules, in how he conducts his life.. I certainly hope you walk the walk. Cause I know Clay does.
July 7th, 2008 3:14 PM
I believe NOTHING until he speaks.
July 7th, 2008 11:00 PM
I am quickly becoming an ex-fan after being a hard core Claymate for over 5 years. Clay has stopped blogging on his fanclub website, even though that's a big reason people pay to join. He no longer seems really thankful for or intersted in his fans. He should address rumors when they surface, even if he doesn't really want to. He is a celebrity and he gets lots of perks, so he should buck up and accept the downside. He should be who he is, do want he wants, and say so and let the chips fall where they may. His true fans won't care.
July 8th, 2008 11:42 AM
I wonder if he's aware or care of some the possible turmoil effects not just to him, but to Jaymes. There could be more falling out.
July 8th, 2008 11:50 AM
Oh, hell! I say give the poor man a break! I don't blame him for not blogging right now. I mean it's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Clay deserves his R&R and he probably needs a break from his fans.
I love Clay unconditionally and it's sad that a lot of fans who have claimed that, don't really know what unconditionally is. If they know what it means I guess they weren't serious when they said they loved him unconditionally or they wouldn't have dumped him no matter if the story is true or not. I'm disappointed in the fans who have dumped Clay over this. Imagine how Clay must feel.
July 8th, 2008 12:46 PM
They reap what they sow.
July 8th, 2008 2:35 PM
Fortunately, I never said I loved Clay Aiken unconditionally.
As for how Clay feels, too bad. Since this behavior does not match the persona he projected, he owes many in his fan base especially the ones waiting to hear from him, an explanation.
If Clay had kept his mouth shut about the role model crap, if he had not been so quick to condemn the behavior of other celebrities with his 'rotting insides' comments it wouldn't seem as hypocritical to me nor would I have expected more from him.
I believe the story is true but for the many fans who are waiting to hear it from him, he needs to own up to it and as someone said 'let the chips fall where they may'. I interpret his silence as arrogant and cowardly.
July 8th, 2008 3:56 PM
Unfortunately when the truth comes out Clay will by then have lost not only the fans who disapprove (if the daddy story is true), but also the ones who would otherwise be happy for him, but are pissed that he's ignored them. And he's never "damned if he does". The fans ALWAYS love to hear from him, even if it's just a few words. And love unconditionally? No such thing.
July 8th, 2008 7:53 PM
This silence is a risk and costly.
Clay must be secure enough to think he can afford a loss in fandom, since this silence is almost a statement in itself to tell everyone to shut up and shove off.
I am frankly dumbfounded, heartbroken and heartsick over unconfirmed rumor.
July 8th, 2008 9:57 PM
Maybe Clay's silence is a way of giving himself and those close to him, some privacy and space that he/they may need at the moment. He doesn't owe anyone anything in regards to his personal business.
Does this guy ever get cut any slack? sheesh
July 8th, 2008 10:44 PM
I don't think he gives a shit what anybody feels or thinks right now.
July 9th, 2008 1:20 AM
"I don't think he gives a shit what anybody feels or thinks right now"
I don't think he cares either. Perhaps this is one of those 'you do your thing and I'll do my thing' instances. It may even be that he is angry with the fans who spoke of their disdain on his fan club board for the choice made by both Clay and Jaymes Foster to bring a child into this world under these circumstances.
After the wonderful beginning to this year for his career, I think it is sad that it has come to down to this.
July 9th, 2008 1:45 AM
I'm sorry. It takes 5 minutes to type a few words. I don't care if he is "taking a break" or "needs privacy". And yeah he doesn't owe his fans anything, even though they busted their butts and their wallets to get him where he is. Yeah, even though they are upset and begging him to blog. Those "unconditional" fans who are making excuses for him sound like abused women with no self esteem.
July 9th, 2008 8:12 AM
Clay Aiken can't even live by himself because he is so afraid of everything. How can he protect his child?
It is his life but fans have the right to not like it and say so. Clay is losing many fans over this.
Ethel is an over the top fan who Clay encourages because she is black and he has to prove something by being tolerant of behavior from her that he has publicly lash other fans for doing. His friend Kristy had a baby too. Now I am wonderig is it Clay's baby?
Clay Aiken seems easily taken in by women.
Jaymes was obviously another Claymate since the beginning.
She fooled him just like some others who he allowed into his personal life did. Now another human being is involved. If it is true.
Aiken needs some serious counseling before making any more huge decisions. He has killed his career before this latest castastrophe. This is just the one that will cause many fans to leave at once. Clay Aiken is not who he has said he is.
He is a hypocrite.
July 9th, 2008 8:21 AM
That's really pathetic begging him to blog. After the way many fans at his own official fan club message board left nasty and sometimes threatening posts about Jaymes and himself I hope he never blogs again from there and I also think he's 'outa' here'.blog and thank them? Gimme a break.
He'll fullfil any obligations he has left then I doubt we'll see him professionally for a long time if ever.
As far as busting their wallets, from where I stand they only paid for what THEY wanted and enjoyed. No arm twisting here.