Thank you Liz for speaking the truth. I too am Puerto Rican and I ran across this page and was shocked by all of foolishness that young lady had written. Her ignorance is a product of her family not teaching her the history of our people or they are teaching her a version that is very incorrect.
aWURABENA Says:
March 23rd, 2007 7:17 PM
KKK- Yea its tha koo kolored kid: Thys song is racist n thas messed up but at least a black man has the sense to praise some unappreciated black beauty...basically the song is about recognizing black women as people of beauty, not over sexualized ugly women. He just went bout it tha worng ass way
Yea Boi!!!!!
Ms Thang Says:
April 18th, 2007 9:55 AM
I am truly amazes at the remarks of "Sandra" and the likes "Baghdady" - this is the 21 century y'all - get over this bs - we have been here from the get go and will be here to the end "Accept it". Freedom if speech is a Human Right - so if Bookman wants to express how he feels or what he thinks let him do so as he may not be alone in his feelings as will be other "idiots that agrre with the "sandra's of this world - and Ms Sandra as you have been told "puerto ican are not white contray to you dum a$$ belief. I am proud to be black and a black women and beaury is not reflected in the color of your skin - it's a combination of "qualities" - but Sandra nad your frenz y'all wont know that cuz y'all is all missing that... Step into the present and future the world you live in is multi cultural and you have got know choice - however, you can commit suicide and rid this world of one more bigot and if you can find like minded folks like yourself you may want to encourage them to probably do a mass suicide bid - cuz us "normal" human beings are sick and tired of this black white bs.
Jackee Says:
May 24th, 2007 7:38 PM
To comment on what Baghdady had to say about If 99.999% of the world were given the option to choose their race they would choose white, I don't agree because 99.999% none African Americans spend 99.999% in taning beds and 99.999% out in the hot ass sun trying their best to be what God created African Americans to be, Black.
Alan Says:
July 19th, 2007 5:22 PM
Yeah, and I 'understand' Hitler. The fact of the matter is that racist crap is racist crap no matter whose lips it escapes from. There is no more justification for a black person to be spouting hatred just because he or she belongs to a so-called 'minority' which feels aggrieved not to be part of the majority. Even the most cursory study of global history would reveal the trouble caused by hate-fuelled minorities and the frequently extreme nature of their remarks.
lavelle Says:
August 5th, 2007 5:46 AM
liz is right and so is chrissie they look like dude but they can whup my as in tennis
Fez Says:
August 15th, 2007 1:46 PM
Before I begin. I am not black nor white. How many black women do you hear in the news who are sleeping around with so many men and going in and out of rehab? how many sex videos of paris hilton britney spears pamela anderson etc are there? I dont see many black celebrity sex videos? If white women are going to behave like slags, then what do they expect? If white people are so proud to be white then why are there so many tanning salons and fake tanning products? why do they go abroad to become darker? why do they listen to black music and try to copy the way black people dress and talk? If it isnt because they like them then why do they do it? what I cannot understand is why are there so many racist white people if so many of them want to be darker.
NB: Black music is the BEST in my opinion and I hope them all the best. Its also unfair to say that all black people are ugly, because believe me I have seen my fair share of ugly white people. I'd rather have Beyonce, Tyra Banks or Rihanna than Britney, Paris hilton, lindsay lohan ( all of whom are total disgraces to the human race) Did I mention that very few of the white women we are talking about have very little, if any talent at all. Need I say any more.
As you can see, I am not in favour of white people, and this is due to the constant racism which I recieve in merry England.
Alan Says:
August 16th, 2007 3:48 PM
Hey Fez, there are racists in every racial group, don't make it sound like all racists are white. I'm white and I'm a realist not a racist. There are plenty of 'sleep around' people in 'black' society too, check out hip hop culture, and girls like 'Superhead' Steffans who brag about their sexual exploits and sell their stories. Black people have been known to do porn too lol. Also, just check out the numbers, there are a lot more white people than black in the US and the UK for example, so you're gonna hear a lot more about them, whatever they do. Do you think it's somehow ok for black people to make racist and sweeping remarks about white people but not the other way round? Hitler or Saddam Hussein might have been a disgrace to the human race, but Lindsay Lohan? Try and keep things in perspective eh!
Alan Says:
August 16th, 2007 4:42 PM
Also, your words, 'I'm not in favour of white people...' so. Fez, have you got 'plans' for us? I'm a Canadian but I live in the UK. Wanna dance?
Alan Says:
August 17th, 2007 3:41 AM
One more point, ever heard of M.Jackson, W.Houston, D.Ross, N.Campbell, Snoop Doggy D.? Just a few fairly well known (black) celebs who've had rehab and/or have other ongoing 'fame' issues... get with the program dude. Most celebs like to 'party hard' and show off and some of them end up thinking they're above the law and start believing in their own mythology. Doesn't matter what colour skin they've got but obviously you choose to notice the white ones. Incidentally, if M.Jackson is so proud to be black, why did he choose to become 'white' and if black celebs, especially women, are so proud to be black why do they spend so much money straightening their hair or wearing wigs so their hair looks 'white'?
Alan Says:
August 19th, 2007 2:07 PM
Fez, thank you for your courteous, considerate and thoughtful response, it is much appreciated. I think we're basically on the same wavelength and it is very sad that you have to put up with racism in the UK which is supposed to be one of the most tolerant countries.
Emi Says:
August 20th, 2007 3:34 AM
Racism is racism is racism, regardless of who says it and who they direct it towards. Bookman's song was full of racism--not only against whites, but mixed people as well. So it surprises me that there are blacks out there that don't understand why this song upsets people. Blacks, of ALL people, should understand why racism isn't well tolerated... Only about half an hour ago, I, a WHITE female, signed a petition for the Jena 6 (a group of black students discrimated against in Louisiana)... This is just ridiculous. Blacks and other minorities are always upset, and rightfully so, about being discrimated against... but when a minority makes a racist comment about the majority, we are expected to hold our tongues? Get real, people. Blacks should be proud of their ethnicity--they have a rich culture and they should never be ashamed of it. But the same goes for whites and all other races as well. It's about time we all learned to respect eachother--something Bookman, and many of the authors of previous comments, haven't figured out yet.
West Coast Desire Says:
August 30th, 2007 2:36 PM
Britney isn't very pretty and Beyonce can sing. Beyonce is prettier than Britney but I can find better looking women than both of them walking down the street.
Sweetface Says:
September 5th, 2007 6:07 PM
P.S. Britney IS rather plain...but how can you tell, with all those layers of make up? OH WELL...she used to have a cheeky sex kitten persona...that has long been lost to her mental illness...whatever it may be!
She'll find her way hopefully. As for beautiful people in the world...it's all in the eye of the BEHOLDER...so I guess we'll never know who is the hottest of all :P Take care and blessed be!
Tia Says:
September 14th, 2007 9:18 AM
in a way this song is good and bad. i believe that black women need to be honored more and african women because we are the original women of rythm, bodies, and not to mention the oldest human fossil found was in africa (it was a woman too/ so does tha mean we're tha first race?). but i dnt agree bashing white women because all women diserve respect no matter what race. and if a man goes with a woman of his race or different race and shud be because she likes her.
Tiyonna Says:
September 16th, 2007 9:01 PM
Hey, i am black , i am beautiful , not ugly , never been ugly , nor will i ever know it. The over generalization that all black men or women are fat or ugly is funny not offensive because it is false.Gabrielle Union,Kerry Washington and Garcelle Beauvais are all gorgeous african american women.We are black and proud too! Thats why at the end of this years BET AWARDS we sang "I'm black and i'm proud."
The peace maker Says:
September 24th, 2007 7:13 PM
Through out the centuries the white man had destroyed other nations by killing,spreading diseases,and causing famine. Look what happen in Nazi germany. Adolf Hitler, your spritual god, killed more than 55 million people. So don't come on this web site identifying yourself as Mr.KKK. Because you really sound like an idiot.
Sophia Says:
October 6th, 2007 7:33 PM
I think that this song is racists but
I do think that women like Serena and venus willams should be recognized as well as their type of beauty.
As far as Britney spears is concerned she only started to come across as ugly when she started becoming dirty and flashing her vagina all around the media
I think beauty is the way you carry yourself and Britney spears right now is just acting like trash
and depicting herself that way
and for that I DO THINK that women like India. Arie and Serena williams are far more beautiful than she is
Britney needs to get her act together than maybe she will be beautiful once agian
and as for Mr kkk goes I see myself in the mirror everyday and I think i LOOK a hell lot better than most women on the street
I sure as hell don't look like a monkey
I though APES had straight hair and thin lips??
more like white ppl??
Darkflower Says:
October 12th, 2007 5:05 PM
I just had to respond to the person who said that if anyone had a choice, 99.9% of people would choose to be white. I just wanted to go on record as saying that I must be in the .1% of people who wouldn't. I can only say that because I've actually given it some thought, as I'm sure many non-white people have when coming to terms with the way the world tends to view black people, and how some of us view ourselves.
I may not like what's become of mainstream black culture, but strictly speaking of what are the obvious range of physical characteristics amongst black people, and the more ephemeral qualities that can't be proven (NO, I'm not talking about sexuality or rhythm or any of those stereotypes), I consider it a blessing beyond measure to be in this body. I would never, ever, ever wish to be anything other than black. The things I consider beautiful about myself, I consider beautiful because they are black characteristics, not in spite of it.
Outside of the physical, I guess one other thing I like about being who I am is not suffering from the psychosis that makes it so difficult to believe that people who are unlike me, wish they weren't. I don't believe that all white people feel that way, and I realize that conversely, some black people do. But it's the unscientific observation of my life as lived thus far that conciously or (most of the time) unconciously, white people are the most likely to assume that everyone wants to be like them, or that all the positive things that people want to attain for themselves are in imitation of white people.
Luckily, maturity and the employment of intelligence prevents me from feeling anything other than mirth regarding this arrogance. I just don't take it seriously. And that's why, in addition to the pleasure of living in this beautiful black body, the words of people like bagdadwhatever and "KKK" mean nothing. Let them flap their gums. They've got a right, don't they, to free speech? But recognize them as they are--essentially irrelevant in a world that continues to grow beyond them, and render them, and people like them, obselete.
yeaaaaa Says:
October 27th, 2007 7:30 AM
Whites, Latinas & Asians are far more appealing than black girls.
btw, beyonce looks like a painted monkey, she is just blessed that she can sing and afford money to buy wigs and expensive products to keep her skin look more ''light''.
Spectrebane Says:
October 30th, 2007 8:10 PM
Yeaaaaa.....you should not type. I makes you sound idiotic, making all of your comments null and void.
There are pretty people of every ethnicity, and if you find a hot caucasian girl, you can find a hotter ebony girl, which can be topped by a hotter asian, which can be topped by a hotter hispanic.
You will keep doing this and it will never end, but unfortunantly for close-minded people that just want to think one way and ignore even the most obvious facts, then this is futile to try and point out.
Jazzee Says:
December 17th, 2007 12:49 AM
we shouldnt waste our time on this crap. eveyone needs to realize that racism is gonna be here forever its never gonna go away. No matter what you do theres always gonna be some ignorant racist out there. And as contreversial as this sounds, only white people can be racist, the definition of racism is, a person of majority having hatred towards a person of minority. black people, and puerto rican people can't really be racist, but they sure can be HATEFUL!!
beauty is in the eye of the beholder and theres nothin we can do about it! I'm black and i know theres ppl out there that think im ugly just because of my skin colour, but hey theres nothing i can do about
peace&love!!<3
jazzee Says:
December 17th, 2007 12:52 AM
oh an barbie, why are all these white girls tanning in the sun and dating black guys?????
Nubian Goddess Says:
December 17th, 2007 1:23 AM
White crackers are animals .
Nubian Goddess Says:
December 17th, 2007 4:38 AM
White people must wash their hair ever day cuz they stink. THE BLACK WOMAN IS THE MOTHER OF CIVILIZATION, QUEEN OF THE PLANET EARTH AND GODDESS OF THE UNIVERSE. THE WHITE "WOMAN" IS A BLOND-HAIRED, BLUE-EYED, PALE-SKINNED, BUTTERMILK-COMPLEXIONED, GRAFTED, RECESSIVE, DEPRESSIVE, STRAIGHT UP AND STRAIGHT DOWN, IRONING BOARD FLAT ASS, NO FRILLS, NO THRILLS, MS. SIX O'CLOCK, SUBJECT TO HAVE THE ITCH, MUTANOID,CAUCASOID, WHITE, CAVE BITCH! Watch your back crackers, don't be alarmed if black people just start grabbin' meat cleavers and cuttin' us some white throats and KILLIN' US SOME WHITFOLK. Just as soon as Farrakhan gives the order, we'll rise up like never before. Europe will be flooded soon and Babylon (America) will follow, then whites will be busted asunder and sent, once again BACK to oblivion.
March 14th, 2007 10:06 AM
Thank you Liz for speaking the truth. I too am Puerto Rican and I ran across this page and was shocked by all of foolishness that young lady had written. Her ignorance is a product of her family not teaching her the history of our people or they are teaching her a version that is very incorrect.
March 23rd, 2007 7:17 PM
KKK- Yea its tha koo kolored kid: Thys song is racist n thas messed up but at least a black man has the sense to praise some unappreciated black beauty...basically the song is about recognizing black women as people of beauty, not over sexualized ugly women. He just went bout it tha worng ass way
Yea Boi!!!!!
April 18th, 2007 9:55 AM
I am truly amazes at the remarks of "Sandra" and the likes "Baghdady" - this is the 21 century y'all - get over this bs - we have been here from the get go and will be here to the end "Accept it". Freedom if speech is a Human Right - so if Bookman wants to express how he feels or what he thinks let him do so as he may not be alone in his feelings as will be other "idiots that agrre with the "sandra's of this world - and Ms Sandra as you have been told "puerto ican are not white contray to you dum a$$ belief. I am proud to be black and a black women and beaury is not reflected in the color of your skin - it's a combination of "qualities" - but Sandra nad your frenz y'all wont know that cuz y'all is all missing that... Step into the present and future the world you live in is multi cultural and you have got know choice - however, you can commit suicide and rid this world of one more bigot and if you can find like minded folks like yourself you may want to encourage them to probably do a mass suicide bid - cuz us "normal" human beings are sick and tired of this black white bs.
May 24th, 2007 7:38 PM
To comment on what Baghdady had to say about If 99.999% of the world were given the option to choose their race they would choose white, I don't agree because 99.999% none African Americans spend 99.999% in taning beds and 99.999% out in the hot ass sun trying their best to be what God created African Americans to be, Black.
July 19th, 2007 5:22 PM
Yeah, and I 'understand' Hitler. The fact of the matter is that racist crap is racist crap no matter whose lips it escapes from. There is no more justification for a black person to be spouting hatred just because he or she belongs to a so-called 'minority' which feels aggrieved not to be part of the majority. Even the most cursory study of global history would reveal the trouble caused by hate-fuelled minorities and the frequently extreme nature of their remarks.
August 5th, 2007 5:46 AM
liz is right and so is chrissie they look like dude but they can whup my as in tennis
August 15th, 2007 1:46 PM
Before I begin. I am not black nor white. How many black women do you hear in the news who are sleeping around with so many men and going in and out of rehab? how many sex videos of paris hilton britney spears pamela anderson etc are there? I dont see many black celebrity sex videos? If white women are going to behave like slags, then what do they expect? If white people are so proud to be white then why are there so many tanning salons and fake tanning products? why do they go abroad to become darker? why do they listen to black music and try to copy the way black people dress and talk? If it isnt because they like them then why do they do it? what I cannot understand is why are there so many racist white people if so many of them want to be darker.
NB: Black music is the BEST in my opinion and I hope them all the best. Its also unfair to say that all black people are ugly, because believe me I have seen my fair share of ugly white people. I'd rather have Beyonce, Tyra Banks or Rihanna than Britney, Paris hilton, lindsay lohan ( all of whom are total disgraces to the human race) Did I mention that very few of the white women we are talking about have very little, if any talent at all. Need I say any more.
As you can see, I am not in favour of white people, and this is due to the constant racism which I recieve in merry England.
August 16th, 2007 3:48 PM
Hey Fez, there are racists in every racial group, don't make it sound like all racists are white. I'm white and I'm a realist not a racist. There are plenty of 'sleep around' people in 'black' society too, check out hip hop culture, and girls like 'Superhead' Steffans who brag about their sexual exploits and sell their stories. Black people have been known to do porn too lol. Also, just check out the numbers, there are a lot more white people than black in the US and the UK for example, so you're gonna hear a lot more about them, whatever they do. Do you think it's somehow ok for black people to make racist and sweeping remarks about white people but not the other way round? Hitler or Saddam Hussein might have been a disgrace to the human race, but Lindsay Lohan? Try and keep things in perspective eh!
August 16th, 2007 4:42 PM
Also, your words, 'I'm not in favour of white people...' so. Fez, have you got 'plans' for us? I'm a Canadian but I live in the UK. Wanna dance?
August 17th, 2007 3:41 AM
One more point, ever heard of M.Jackson, W.Houston, D.Ross, N.Campbell, Snoop Doggy D.? Just a few fairly well known (black) celebs who've had rehab and/or have other ongoing 'fame' issues... get with the program dude. Most celebs like to 'party hard' and show off and some of them end up thinking they're above the law and start believing in their own mythology. Doesn't matter what colour skin they've got but obviously you choose to notice the white ones. Incidentally, if M.Jackson is so proud to be black, why did he choose to become 'white' and if black celebs, especially women, are so proud to be black why do they spend so much money straightening their hair or wearing wigs so their hair looks 'white'?
August 19th, 2007 2:07 PM
Fez, thank you for your courteous, considerate and thoughtful response, it is much appreciated. I think we're basically on the same wavelength and it is very sad that you have to put up with racism in the UK which is supposed to be one of the most tolerant countries.
August 20th, 2007 3:34 AM
Racism is racism is racism, regardless of who says it and who they direct it towards. Bookman's song was full of racism--not only against whites, but mixed people as well. So it surprises me that there are blacks out there that don't understand why this song upsets people. Blacks, of ALL people, should understand why racism isn't well tolerated... Only about half an hour ago, I, a WHITE female, signed a petition for the Jena 6 (a group of black students discrimated against in Louisiana)... This is just ridiculous. Blacks and other minorities are always upset, and rightfully so, about being discrimated against... but when a minority makes a racist comment about the majority, we are expected to hold our tongues? Get real, people. Blacks should be proud of their ethnicity--they have a rich culture and they should never be ashamed of it. But the same goes for whites and all other races as well. It's about time we all learned to respect eachother--something Bookman, and many of the authors of previous comments, haven't figured out yet.
August 30th, 2007 2:36 PM
Britney isn't very pretty and Beyonce can sing. Beyonce is prettier than Britney but I can find better looking women than both of them walking down the street.
September 5th, 2007 6:07 PM
P.S. Britney IS rather plain...but how can you tell, with all those layers of make up? OH WELL...she used to have a cheeky sex kitten persona...that has long been lost to her mental illness...whatever it may be!
She'll find her way hopefully. As for beautiful people in the world...it's all in the eye of the BEHOLDER...so I guess we'll never know who is the hottest of all :P Take care and blessed be!
September 14th, 2007 9:18 AM
in a way this song is good and bad. i believe that black women need to be honored more and african women because we are the original women of rythm, bodies, and not to mention the oldest human fossil found was in africa (it was a woman too/ so does tha mean we're tha first race?). but i dnt agree bashing white women because all women diserve respect no matter what race. and if a man goes with a woman of his race or different race and shud be because she likes her.
September 16th, 2007 9:01 PM
Hey, i am black , i am beautiful , not ugly , never been ugly , nor will i ever know it. The over generalization that all black men or women are fat or ugly is funny not offensive because it is false.Gabrielle Union,Kerry Washington and Garcelle Beauvais are all gorgeous african american women.We are black and proud too! Thats why at the end of this years BET AWARDS we sang "I'm black and i'm proud."
September 24th, 2007 7:13 PM
Through out the centuries the white man had destroyed other nations by killing,spreading diseases,and causing famine. Look what happen in Nazi germany. Adolf Hitler, your spritual god, killed more than 55 million people. So don't come on this web site identifying yourself as Mr.KKK. Because you really sound like an idiot.
October 6th, 2007 7:33 PM
I think that this song is racists but
I do think that women like Serena and venus willams should be recognized as well as their type of beauty.
As far as Britney spears is concerned she only started to come across as ugly when she started becoming dirty and flashing her vagina all around the media
I think beauty is the way you carry yourself and Britney spears right now is just acting like trash
and depicting herself that way
and for that I DO THINK that women like India. Arie and Serena williams are far more beautiful than she is
Britney needs to get her act together than maybe she will be beautiful once agian
and as for Mr kkk goes I see myself in the mirror everyday and I think i LOOK a hell lot better than most women on the street
I sure as hell don't look like a monkey
I though APES had straight hair and thin lips??
more like white ppl??
October 12th, 2007 5:05 PM
I just had to respond to the person who said that if anyone had a choice, 99.9% of people would choose to be white. I just wanted to go on record as saying that I must be in the .1% of people who wouldn't. I can only say that because I've actually given it some thought, as I'm sure many non-white people have when coming to terms with the way the world tends to view black people, and how some of us view ourselves.
I may not like what's become of mainstream black culture, but strictly speaking of what are the obvious range of physical characteristics amongst black people, and the more ephemeral qualities that can't be proven (NO, I'm not talking about sexuality or rhythm or any of those stereotypes), I consider it a blessing beyond measure to be in this body. I would never, ever, ever wish to be anything other than black. The things I consider beautiful about myself, I consider beautiful because they are black characteristics, not in spite of it.
Outside of the physical, I guess one other thing I like about being who I am is not suffering from the psychosis that makes it so difficult to believe that people who are unlike me, wish they weren't. I don't believe that all white people feel that way, and I realize that conversely, some black people do. But it's the unscientific observation of my life as lived thus far that conciously or (most of the time) unconciously, white people are the most likely to assume that everyone wants to be like them, or that all the positive things that people want to attain for themselves are in imitation of white people.
Luckily, maturity and the employment of intelligence prevents me from feeling anything other than mirth regarding this arrogance. I just don't take it seriously. And that's why, in addition to the pleasure of living in this beautiful black body, the words of people like bagdadwhatever and "KKK" mean nothing. Let them flap their gums. They've got a right, don't they, to free speech? But recognize them as they are--essentially irrelevant in a world that continues to grow beyond them, and render them, and people like them, obselete.
October 27th, 2007 7:30 AM
Whites, Latinas & Asians are far more appealing than black girls.
btw, beyonce looks like a painted monkey, she is just blessed that she can sing and afford money to buy wigs and expensive products to keep her skin look more ''light''.
October 30th, 2007 8:10 PM
Yeaaaaa.....you should not type. I makes you sound idiotic, making all of your comments null and void.
There are pretty people of every ethnicity, and if you find a hot caucasian girl, you can find a hotter ebony girl, which can be topped by a hotter asian, which can be topped by a hotter hispanic.
You will keep doing this and it will never end, but unfortunantly for close-minded people that just want to think one way and ignore even the most obvious facts, then this is futile to try and point out.
December 17th, 2007 12:49 AM
we shouldnt waste our time on this crap. eveyone needs to realize that racism is gonna be here forever its never gonna go away. No matter what you do theres always gonna be some ignorant racist out there. And as contreversial as this sounds, only white people can be racist, the definition of racism is, a person of majority having hatred towards a person of minority. black people, and puerto rican people can't really be racist, but they sure can be HATEFUL!!
beauty is in the eye of the beholder and theres nothin we can do about it! I'm black and i know theres ppl out there that think im ugly just because of my skin colour, but hey theres nothing i can do about
peace&love!!<3
December 17th, 2007 12:52 AM
oh an barbie, why are all these white girls tanning in the sun and dating black guys?????
December 17th, 2007 1:23 AM
White crackers are animals .
December 17th, 2007 4:38 AM
White people must wash their hair ever day cuz they stink. THE BLACK WOMAN IS THE MOTHER OF CIVILIZATION, QUEEN OF THE PLANET EARTH AND GODDESS OF THE UNIVERSE. THE WHITE "WOMAN" IS A BLOND-HAIRED, BLUE-EYED, PALE-SKINNED, BUTTERMILK-COMPLEXIONED, GRAFTED, RECESSIVE, DEPRESSIVE, STRAIGHT UP AND STRAIGHT DOWN, IRONING BOARD FLAT ASS, NO FRILLS, NO THRILLS, MS. SIX O'CLOCK, SUBJECT TO HAVE THE ITCH, MUTANOID,CAUCASOID, WHITE, CAVE BITCH! Watch your back crackers, don't be alarmed if black people just start grabbin' meat cleavers and cuttin' us some white throats and KILLIN' US SOME WHITFOLK. Just as soon as Farrakhan gives the order, we'll rise up like never before. Europe will be flooded soon and Babylon (America) will follow, then whites will be busted asunder and sent, once again BACK to oblivion.